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This question is about card A0630 to be specific, card number 179 which is gold with gold flag. It has a mandatory action depicted which has a pre-text that says
"... each involved character must take the following action alone." to climb down into a crevasse. In effect what is happening is that one (or more) of your group can climb down to a ledge in the crevasse, however ALL characters on the terrain card are required to climb out of a crevasse that some didn't climb down into. "each character involved in the preceding action must take the following action alone." "consider all characters on the attached terrain card to be involved in this action." Posted
Curious if this has been looked at yet? Usually it gets marked confirmed or no error.
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Serious Poulp check all topics in this part of the forum, particularly before the reprint.
But they maybe forgot to update the title (I do if I'm sure, but not here) or gave you more information ? Firebird (ma ludothèque) T7Continent : DV, OG, LG --- SI, [CD+SI] --- Histoire, Pénitence, Funéraille --- [SI+TS] T7Citadel : Posted
I may be wrong, and I don't have the game with me right now to check, but from what you describe, there is no problem in my opinion. As you got the 179 as a consequence of an action, "all involved" means all characters which were involved in the action that led to this consequence. I don't see how others even could get involved.
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Yes, I'm not saying it is necessarily an error, but it is an ambiguous situation where if you apply the rules as written it should be interpretted differently than it seems the intent of the game would indicate. The cards are missing the needed clarifying words like "previous" that would help, since cards override the rules where there is conflict between the two.
Any time an action concludes that leads to a new action, you are done with the former, and the new action begins. It's not nested within the previous results step. Therefore, if the new action is a mandatory action that has the red border designating that "all players on the terrain card must get involved in" (according to the rulebook), and if this sequence of cards intends otherwise, it should state so. In other words "all involved" is precisely the question. Rule book says that means "all on the terrain card" are involved, and this card does not say "all involved from the previous action." There are several other similar situations where both common sense and literal rule interpretation would lead to applying to everyone on the terrain card. Here's one of those similar sequences: There is a terrain card that has a pool on it. Interacting with that pool does not have a red border, so any one or more characters can be involved or not. The result is take a #291. That #291 has an option to opt out, but if you proceed, it is a group red bordered action, which according to rulebook, all on the terrain card must get involved in. That action says take a #092, which is one of those that has multiple cards, once result good, one bad. The bad one says "each involved character..." and something bad happens to each. Clearly, you would say, everyone on the terrain card took that action, and therefore the bad thing happens to all of them, because they were all involved. You don't get to retroactively choose to uninvolve poeple who were required to be involved before. And that's why I say the original issue I'm bringing up should have better clarity, or a note of clarification here, at least. Two very similar sequences, one, no one would question it applies to all on the terrain card, the other, probably a subset of those on the terrain card, yet both sequences just have the same wordings of "all involved" following a red bordered action. |
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