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Irgy a écrit : "Blacksmith" A0065 has no instruction to discard it, so fails the "(if indicated)" condition in Sarah's statement. Can I therefore play Blacksmith to save 2 energy on a check, then play Brooks' "Save your energy" and discard "Blacksmith", even though the second effect on Blacksmith is still pending? + Irgy a écrit : Am I able to voluntarily decline to gain the pending effects from an ability in order to block/discard a card sooner? According to my understanding, we can't decide to decline an effect. We only may apply a null effect instead. ==> That's make the card in a "played" state until the last step of theses effects is over. At this moment, it's time to discard/block this card if asked, or to return it to a "non-player, available" state. I hope this use of states isn't too confuse but it's the best way I've found to explain. Your example/ - I play Blacksmith (Image of the card   then the card stay in my Hand as a "played" card, waiting for the "Result" step.- I play Brooks' "Save your energy" (Image of the card  then, as the effect is finished, I apply the last sentence as a cost. Here, IMO, you must choose an "non-played" card. "Blacksmith" is not an option. However, "Save your energy" is now an "non-played" card so you can discard it (or another non-played card).- At the Result step, you may not use Blacksmith for its conversion effect. Now, Blacksmith has the state of "non-played" card. Another example could be the sames cards played in another order / - I play Brooks' "Save your energy" (Image of the card then, as the effect is finished, I apply the last sentence as a cost. Here, I may choose Blacksmith.- After that, there's no Blacksmith card in my Hand to reduce the cost of the Action.  Irgy a écrit : Page 19 of the rulebook says "You can discard IMO, the rule could be : "You can discard  non-played cards from your hand into your discard pile at any time".It' a rule to allow the player to manage his hand's size. Nothing more. So, yes, the Sarah's text add to you a discarding optimization, but it's not in conflit with the rule (as I completed it). Your questions push me to my analytical limits. And, I'm sorry, but SP is overwhelmed by work for the next KS campain. 
Braxus a écrit : Some skill cards I receive the confirmation from Sarah (and Bruno, the author).  As we conclude, Un effet d'une carte ne peut être utilisé qu'une fois par séquence. Translation ==> A card effect can only be used once per sequence. Discarding a for an effect is a [kind of] cost that can only be paid once.
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Irgy a écrit : Thanks for the response, but this answer is only going as far as telling me what I already knew. My main purpose was to argue that it should be reconsidered. But, if I accept it as given, the implications still have some uncertainty that I feel is not answered by this reply. Your proposal to reconsider this rule clarification has already been studied by the author before. But the other solutions generated other problems. The choice is therefore the one stated by Sarah. Irgy a écrit : Can I confirm then that I can discard card A to pay for another ability on card B, even though I have already activated an ability on card A which will result in card A being discarded, such as described in the example with Endurance? Thereby paying the cost of both cards with just card A. Sarah's last sentence in her rule gives an implicit instruction (which she confirmed to me): the discarding of a played card ONLY occurs during this timing (end of effects or 4B step). Voluntary discarding from another card is prohibited. Irgy a écrit : Can I get clarification on what happens if a card is discarded (either to another card's ability, or to text in the consequence step) before all of the effects have been applied? Can the remaining effects still be applied? This case is not possible*. According to Sarah's rule, the played card cannot be absent with its effect not yet applied. The discard arrives after the application of the effects or in 4B step (after  ).Irgy a écrit : If the answer to the above is that remaining effects cannot be applied, does this also apply to instructions such as blocking the card? Not applicable. Irgy a écrit : Can I confirm that Denhom's and Arthen's "Determination" is still discarded during the gear up step, despite that being inconsistent with the statement that " A played card is discarded (if indicated) as soon as all its effects have been used, or otherwise at the end of the complete action resolution sequence."? These 2 cards have a text that applies in priority to Sarah's rule, as required by the golden rule (the card takes precedence over the rule). * In the other answer, you talked about Consequence step : if a   ask to discard, you discard. But I think a effect should be write before the "Discard the card" sentence, no ? Which imply that you keep the Consequence in memory until the effect is finish. ==> If you have a specific case, please create a topic : there's maybe an exception but the rule stay valid.I hope that it's more clear now.
Note: In this topic, we use the term “cost” to talk about the inconvenience that a card requires you to pay to use its effect.
This is not the correct definition of Cost in the rule.We have therefore not talked about the cost of an Action.
jujulautre a écrit : Do you have an example of such a card ? We discuss together on Discord about this. But I copy here 2 examples of cards. There are Advanced Skills so I put Medium spoiler tag. 1/ Here, with multiple activation, we should be able to reduce cost by -2-2-2-2...  2/ Here, with multiple activation, we should be able to use 4 or more class icons, over the Max.3 limit. 
Hello Marcus,
Welcome here ! The more you will spend "Hope" for some Advanced skills, the more you will have cards that generates bonus with Class icons.And of course, the more you find  Items, the more you will have this type of effect.There's a moment (mid-Theart ?) when you should be happy to draw Class icons to activate all your stuff.
The rule is the rule.
Weight must be taken into account. BUT you can choose to play with a roleplaying variation. It's not a big issue.
Je ne suis pas un expert du domaine mais j'ai souvenir de commentaires qui rappelaient, à juste titre, que les Frais de port ne couvrent pas que la logistique de transport, mais aussi le coût du stockage (entrepôts) et de services (lorsque c'est sous-traité comme ici à divers prestataires), plus les assurances.
Peut-être que la situation d'un éditeur en autodiffusion (Boutique SP) n'est pas vraiment comparable à celle d'une boutique en ligne ou d'un site d'occasion qui mutualisent leurs moyens sur une échelle bien plus grosse ? En tout cas, je note tout de même que les FDP sont offerts à partir de 50€ d'achat (boutique SP France). Et ça, c'est plus que correct. Mode Modo : Je me suis permis d'éditer le sujet pour un titre plus parlant je crois.
Bonjour Yves
Comme je l'ai indiqué ici, le statut [confirmé] ne présage pas forcément de la mise en ligne d'un errata. Typiquement, lorsqu'il s'agit d'une typo qui n'a pas ou peu d'incidence sur le jeu, la correction sera pris en compte uniquement pour une réédition du jeu. Tu peux écouter Bruno en parler brièvement dans son interview (lien horodaté vers le passage en question) Pour cette carte 110 en particulier, je ne sais pas ce qui sera décidé cependant. 
Je confirme que chez moi, l'application installée fonctionne toujours mais que je ne trouve plus l'application dans Play store via la gestion de mes applis, ni via le lien direct
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=be.seriouspoulp.the7thcontinent  Je fais remonter l'info, Revonsdebou. Tu peux aussi utiliser le formulaire de SAV si tu le souhaites. |
